tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post2059596345894332883..comments2023-10-16T04:13:35.784-07:00Comments on Lee M. Kaplan's Blog: Anna Baltzer at the Berkeley Sabeel ConferenceAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05352198408145863795noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-55716705626390694282013-02-19T13:09:34.339-08:002013-02-19T13:09:34.339-08:00The Palestinians have nothing to do with the name ...The Palestinians have nothing to do with the name Palestine.<br />The name Palestine is named after the Philistines, not the Palestinians or any Arab group.<br />The name Palestine was applied by the Romans against the Jews to destroy the name Israel. <br />It was certainly not directed or bestowed to the Arabs in this area. <br />The Philistines were from Crete and came to Israel 3000 years ago and were not Arabs or Muslims. <br />Delilah and Goliath were Philistines. (Philistines died out.) Philistine is the name the Romans renamed Israel as a chagrin against the Jews.<br />Yassir Arafat was not a Philistine, but an ARAB born in Egypt. Philistine originates from the Hebrew verb Palash, which means to invade. So the Arabs who started to call themselves Palestinians in the late 60's are invaders and they want to create an Invadia state.<br /><br />There was never in history any state called Palestine governed by Palestinians.<br />Tell us when did it ever belong to Palestinians? Answer Never. It was never a Pal land to begin with, so your question is invalid.The Palestinians never governed or controlled any land before 1993. To make it simple, please tell me one Palestinian President before 1948? Keep thinking. The Palestinians want a capital, which they never had, in a country that never existed. Dan Kelsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12563530536515369278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-69834077195901198662008-11-20T23:28:00.000-08:002008-11-20T23:28:00.000-08:00I agree with Kaplan's assertions, and additionally...I agree with Kaplan's assertions, and additionally, if you view the UN data, and look at the percentage breakdowns of casualties in the conflict, you'll see that approximate Israeli deaths are 50-50%, indicative of attacks on unarmed civilian populations; Palestinian deaths are 97-3% men to women, indicative of attacks on ARMED COMBATANTS. <BR/><BR/>I just had to sit through Baltzer today--she never onced mentioned the many unprovoked attacks on Israel in 1948, 1967, 1973 by Arab countries, which allowed Israel to expand its territory legally. She also engages in the same rhetoric battle that the sides she opposes use, calling her grandparents "Holocaust refugees", not survivors, thus trying to group the Jewish struggles as the SAME as the Palestinian struggle. She also claimed that both the one state and two state solutions don't work. Seems to me she just wants Israel to not exist at all?<BR/><BR/>Lastly, as a Jew I have to say that I am repulsed by her positions. She may have Jewish blood, but her complete rejection of a)all religious conveyance of meaning to her ancestry and b)Jewish claims to the land show just how she can't claim to be Jewish. She uses Judaism to stamp herself as believable to her supporters, but she is a disgrace to my faith.Zachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10022928249452140334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-63763560458661993042008-11-16T00:00:00.000-08:002008-11-16T00:00:00.000-08:00The basic facts of the matters in the Middle East ...The basic facts of the matters in the Middle East are a mystery to the world. The Arabs are successful in many decades of de-legitimization propaganda against the Jews, and numerous acts of fabricating “news”, to create this affect. Scrutinizing every little story and placing it in perspective is a complicated task, even for a professional historian. <BR/><BR/>Now try this – ask any Arab speaker<BR/><BR/> “What borders of Israel do you accept as legitimate?”<BR/><BR/>The answer depends on how manipulative he/she is… The fact is, Arabs do not accept ANY legitimacy of Israeli existent. In total defiance of international law (At the same time, they rush to make manipulative use of it to promote a cause which contradicts it in the first place…)<BR/><BR/>Arabs are consistent. They strive to achieve genocide of all Jews, long before the state of Israel was established. They were allies of the Nazis back in WWII, and after this plot failed, they “joined in” with the Soviets (Masking their activities as “freedom struggle” ,and used socialist terms) they trained in the USSR, and got full support there, in weapons & finance. Then when this failed, they join in with the Iranians…. (“Hamas” is fully financed & trained by the Shia of Iran).<BR/><BR/>Arabs are quick to demand “equality” in a Jewish state, masking their true goals in the false claim of “human rights struggle”. The very same Arabs have nothing to say to the fact Jews were second degree “citizens” under Islamic rule (“Dhimmies” ), and suffered immensely from Islamic fundamentalism which swept the Islamic world in waves throughout it’s history (no, it is not a new phenomenon…). I would recommend the book on Islam, by Prof. Karsh (head of Middle Eastern studies in the University of London), and watch this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pq1KIUZb4&feature=related <BR/><BR/>It speaks for itself.._MasterArhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08169918607329826209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-21808491550031381902008-10-13T12:14:00.000-07:002008-10-13T12:14:00.000-07:00I didn't see any references to Kaplan's assertions...I didn't see any references to Kaplan's assertions. For things on which we disagree I would happily refer to sources, if he'd provided any.<BR/>=================================<BR/>Andrew <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bestinberkeley.com" REL="nofollow"> Houses for sale in Berkeley, CA </A>andrew123https://www.blogger.com/profile/16349246125006394959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-30737803858292859672008-10-06T07:06:00.000-07:002008-10-06T07:06:00.000-07:00Kaplan do you have any sources to back up your sla...Kaplan do you have any sources to back up your slander against Anna? <BR/><BR/>She made her presentation. We can all see it on YouTube. We can all check her sources.<BR/><BR/>Where are YOUR sources? You mention communism in a review of her speech and expect us to believe you are not trying to discredit her?<BR/><BR/>It's very cheap of you to make such lame insinuations. Stop with the ad homimem and critique her views empirically rather than in a biased and politicized manner.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15809667850124608606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-50224327645080350462008-08-01T15:03:00.000-07:002008-08-01T15:03:00.000-07:00Anna Baltzer made a return apperance to the Bay ar...Anna Baltzer made a return apperance to the Bay area<BR/>For a review of her talk see:<BR/><BR/>http://www.bluetruth.net/2008/07/anna-baltzer-out-of-middle-east.html<BR/><BR/>For more info, see:<BR/><BR/>www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2007/11/anna-baltzers-one-virgin-show/ <BR/><BR/>http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?19357S<BR/><BR/>arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/22495/index.phpDustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06824185664523568683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-35918003823773493982007-09-06T13:12:00.000-07:002007-09-06T13:12:00.000-07:00Reply from Lee Kaplan:Anna, the ball is in your co...Reply from Lee Kaplan:<BR/><BR/>Anna, the ball is in your court: Provide me with Lamis's last name, the exact date and I will galdly research this incident with the IDF. The fact is, you are a serial liar for the PLO. Your presentation was pure propaganda <BR/>and designed to misinform those who attended. By the way, how do you account for the Hamas flags in those phtoos of "nonviolent" Palestinians you displayed? Read th Hamas charter.<BR/><BR/>I never said that you were a communist yourself, Anna, because I really don't know you. However, the organization you speak on behalf of is a communist front group dating back to the 1930s. I rather think you confirmed what I thought about you, but did not write: You are a young Jewish-American woman who has found a sinecure for herself and limited prestige as a published author by being a quisling for the Arabs against other Jews int eh Middle East. That, to me, is far worse than being a true believer as a communist.<BR/><BR/>Please note also I did not delete your entry. That is the style of the ISM creeps you work for, not me.Lee Kaplanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08293814801240827835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-29945896721858907042007-09-05T00:41:00.000-07:002007-09-05T00:41:00.000-07:00I hardly know where to begin to respond to all of ...I hardly know where to begin to respond to all of the inaccuracies in Kaplan's post. Just about every quotation is incorrect, and I invite readers to view the same presentation online at YouTube to compare (there's even a DVD of the Sabeel conference coming out).<BR/><BR/>Along with my presentation, I provided a fact-sheet to back up all my statistics (I mentioned this at the end), using sources such as the UN OCHA, Amnesty International, Middle East Policy Council, and other human rights groups. I invite others to download the fact-sheet off my website as well. As I said in my presentation, I actually hope that people don't take my word for it, and instead do the research themselves, but from reliable sources.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, I didn't see any references to Kaplan's assertions. For things on which we disagree I would happily refer to sources, if he'd provided any. <BR/><BR/>In terms of things not immediately refuted by seeing the presentation itself--and I'll skip the Communist hoopla since it has nothing to do with me or my work--I want to reassert to Kaplan, as I did after the talk, that I interviewed Lamis the day after the incident in which she lost her babies. I also wrote about it in my book and on my blog, and have verified that the entry date to which I referred Kaplan was correct (December 21st, 2003). <BR/><BR/>This should also be verifiable in the IWPS archives (if the ones online don't go back that far I'm sure you could write and request the human rights reports written that week). When Kaplan asked, I said that to my knowledge there had been no investigation conducted by the army on the incident (I didn't say they never investigate--in fact, I've written stories including such investigations). <BR/><BR/>That said, I hope I was wrong and invite Kaplan to send me the results of the investigation that he seems certain occurred.<BR/><BR/>I can only assume Kaplan will delete this entry, but thought I'd put it up for as long as it lasts.<BR/><BR/>Again, don't trust me. But don't trust Kaplan either. Find out for yourselves, and use reliable sources that exist to document the situation, not to advance an agenda.<BR/><BR/>AnnaAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059869667608289450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-45232149653428285902007-09-02T11:29:00.000-07:002007-09-02T11:29:00.000-07:00BECKY JOHNSON COMMENTS ON SELECTIONS FROM ANNA BAL...BECKY JOHNSON COMMENTS ON SELECTIONS FROM ANNA BALTZER'S "The Forgotten Torture Chambers, Walls, and Economics of the Occupation" -- May 15, 2007<BR/> <BR/>ANNA BALTZER WRITES: "Along our tour we met a farmer named Abu Hashem who used to be one of the richest landowners in Palestine.<BR/> <BR/>BECKY: Does Baltzer have any independent verification of this? Or is she simply accepting his version on its face and reporting it as though its a fact?<BR/> <BR/>ANNA BALTZER: "Of his 8,000 original dunums, only 70 are left after Israel built what Fathi calls, "the Forgotten Wall." East of the major settler highway is a barrier similar in shape and effect to Israel's better-known Apartheid Wall, this one built back in 1971 and reinforced in 1999. From his modest house, Abu Hashem can see past the Wall across the thousands of his dunums that he can never return to, spanning all the way to the Jordan River."<BR/> <BR/>BECKY: If this Abu Hashem (or Father God) truly had his land taken by Israel for a security barrier, then this was done under the laws of eminent domain of the State of Israel. Landowners are compensated for land taken at fair market values. Most likely this farmer didn't really own the land, but was squatting. He should count himself lucky that he got to use the land for his own purposes as long as he did.<BR/><BR/><BR/>ANNA BALTZER: "Abu Hashem's sons alternate years going to university and working on the farm to support the family. Abu Hashem would hire Palestinian laborers so his sons could study full-time, but Israel prohibits Palestinians from bringing in outside workers.<BR/> <BR/>BECKY: There is no such prohibition. However, the IDF does check permits and ID's of Palestinians passing back and forth. Those who present a security risk or are wanted by Israel, don't dare go thru the checkpoints.<BR/> <BR/>ANNA BALTZER: "Another farmer we met said he needs 50 farmers to cultivate his land, but he only has 10, since so many locals have left. Settlements, on the other hand, are free to bring in as much cheap labor from the rest of the West Bank as they like, so long as the Palestinians head back west when they're done so as not to throw off the Judaizing demographic trend."<BR/> <BR/>BECKY: Israel COULD have taken over the West Bank and kicked out ALL the Arabs in 1967 (As Jordan had done to all the Jews when they took over in 1948)but they didn't. Since the presence of employment is the largest incentive for immigration, it's mystifying why "so many locals have left." Baltzer blames Israel but it doesn't make much sense. The Jordan Valley was always a scarsely populated area.<BR/>As for a so-called "Judaizing demographic trend" Baltzer plays the race card.<BR/> <BR/>Here she claims that because Jewish settlers hire Palestinian workers for seasonal labor, this "proves" that Israel bases all of its policies on "Judaizing" areas of Israel. This is disingenuous to a high degree. For its illegal to discriminate in Israel based on race or religion. <BR/> <BR/>ANNA BALTZER: "Settlements are towns or communities built by Israel exclusively for Jewish Israelis on land outside the internationally recognized borders of Israel. Settlements are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibit an occupying power from transferring citizens from its own population to the occupied territory, in this case the West Bank and Gaza. In many languages, the word for “settlement” is the same as the word for “colony.” But in English and Hebrew, a more benign word is used—people living in Israeli settlements are referred to as “settlers,” not “colonizers.”<BR/> <BR/>BECKY: There ARE no "internationally recognized borders." That is part of the reason the conflict never gets settled. Baltzer may be referring to the 1949 cease-fire lines which are not official borders. In 1948, Jordanian armies drove out all Jews from the West Bank and Jerusalem. In 1967, when the Israeli army took control of Jerusalem, the West Bank, and parts of Jordan, Jews re-entered the West Bank to repopulate ancient Judea with Jews per their religious teachings. This did NOT violate Article 49 of the Geneva convention because 1) Israel was not the aggressor in the 1967 war,but were ruled to be the defenders and 2) no resident Arab/Muslim population was transferred OUT nor internally displaced. These Jews started new communities in their ancestral homelands on uninhabited land displacing no one. 3) UN resolution 242 left the Israeli army in charge until a peace agreement could be reached. Israel has already reached a peace agreement with Jordan and Egypt. they tried to reach an agreement with the Palestinians with the Oslo agreement, but Arafat failed to stop Palestinian terrorism and in 2000, Arafat launched his bloody intifada.<BR/><BR/>READ BALTZER'S ENTIRE ARTICLE AT:<BR/>found at: http://annainpalestine.blogspot.com/Becky Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100626198456326185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1642698876306856672.post-46283255006216076442007-08-31T05:49:00.000-07:002007-08-31T05:49:00.000-07:00I learned so much at this conference.One of the re...I learned so much at this conference.<BR/><BR/>One of the reason the big oil folks fund these conferences is to get everyone on the same page with the new, improved Palestinian narrative. (Its a narrative, folks, not "history"- because it didn't actually happen, but we can't let the facts get in our way now, can we?)<BR/><BR/>The "powers that be" are introducing important changes in the "narrative" as to the origins of the Palestinian people.<BR/><BR/>For instance- were you told to claim that the Palestinians were the descendants of the Philistines? That didn't work too well, did it? The Philistines themselves were of European origins, and never expanded their kingdom beyond the Southern Mediterranean coast. They weren't Semitic, they were uncircumsized...too problematic....<BR/><BR/>So the folks in the myth and legend department of the Palestinian propaganda ministry have a new narrative now- better get on the same page, boys and girls.<BR/><BR/>The Palestinians are now descended from the Phoenicians. Remember that. Be consistent. Sabeel says so. And don't forget- you heard it here first, folksDustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06824185664523568683noreply@blogger.com